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Administration
12-10-2007, 12:39 PM
While loyalists to the organization as well as the uninformed press may take the Watchtower’s brief response at face value, there are, nonetheless, a number of cleverly-worded statements that warrant scrutiny...

This latest commentary from e-watchman.com takes a careful look at the facts surrounding the latest press release from the Watchtower organization in response to the organization's having made headlines in child molestation.

The Watchtower Deceives the Media and Jehovah's Witnesses (http://e-watchman.com/)

Viking
12-10-2007, 02:12 PM
a tres formidable article, tres correct sans exaggeration

Jeshurun
12-10-2007, 04:23 PM
I'm not suggesting anything against these poor victims and I know very little about these court proceedings, but what would happen if they refused this hush money? Isn't that an option?

watchman
12-10-2007, 04:45 PM
I'm not suggesting anything against these poor victims and I know very little about these court proceedings, but what would happen if they refused this hush money? Isn't that an option?[/b]

That's a good question. I know Bill Bowen and Barbara Anderson were disappointed that the plaintiffs settled out of court. I suppose if they had refused the original settlement the WT would up the offer. If perchance some plantiff in the next case that comes along refuses the money, then it might get interesting.

Watchman

Jinnvisible
12-10-2007, 04:55 PM
I'm not suggesting anything against these poor victims and I know very little about these court proceedings, but what would happen if they refused this hush money? Isn't that an option?[/b]

Perhaps for the same reason that Barbera Anderson charges £16.50 for a cd rom

Jeshurun
12-10-2007, 05:09 PM
Well, you all know how I think by now. I'm wondering if any of these kids and their families might be getting harassed, threatened, or otherwise coerced and manipulated in the middle of the night by hired Watchtower henchmen. Just the fact that so many of them are giving in to the Watchtower's filthy money really makes me wonder.

Peter
12-10-2007, 05:16 PM
I’m having some trouble; it’s not on the front page or in the commentary section. Is it my computer or are other experiencing the same problem?

watchman
12-10-2007, 05:25 PM
I'm having some trouble; it's not on the front page or in the commentary section. Is it my computer or are other experiencing the same problem? [/b]

You probably need to do a refresh of the front page. Go to e-watchman.com and then press ctrl and F5 together. Let us know if that fixes it

Jinnvisible
12-10-2007, 06:09 PM
No problems here, it comes up fine on the front page of the main site.

Molly
12-10-2007, 07:12 PM
I'm not suggesting anything against these poor victims and I know very little about these court proceedings, but what would happen if they refused this hush money? Isn't that an option?[/b]

Jeshurun-

It seems that from our perspective the thing to do would be to expose the WTS's lies and deceit, but that may not be the motive of the people in this suit. If they were all included in one suit against the WTS, there may have been pressure from the majority to take the money and run. After all, since they have sued the WTS, they are probably not in good standing in the congregations any longer. First, they are abused by the individuals, then they are abused by the elders and the organization. Maybe they originally just wanted an apology, but we know that won't be forthcoming. After going to this extent, they may just be too disgusted with the organization's treacherous dealings to care what they think any longer, and realize that the only way to get any justice from them is through the pocketbook. They would have us believe that these victims are bringing reproach on Jehovah's name, when it is really the Society policy is that is bringing the shame on His August Name.

One wouldn't have to be a JW to recognize the duplicity of their claims of concern for the abused, considering the Kingdom News from a year ago October which condemned the pedophiles within Christendom. It just made me cringe to read it. There are probably many that have read that KN who know about Silentlambs or the cases of sexual abuse within the congregations. The WTS may have a stranglehold on the Witnesses, but the rest of the world is not under their thumb. And word is getting out.

Molly

Candace
12-10-2007, 09:33 PM
Often, when a victim has been in a long, drawn-out legal battle, as these plaintiffs were, when an out-of-court settlement is finally offered, the attorneys for the plaintiffs will pressure their clients to take the deal. Even if a client has a rock solid case, an attorney is still going to favor settling out-of-court (for obvious reasons).

I imagine the plaintiffs were looking for closure. I wouldn't be surprised if the attorneys said, "This is as good as it gets. You aren't going to get a better outcome than this." From what I've read, the WTS didn't offer the settlement until they were backed into a corner with no way out. They feared having to release confidential files. That was their motivation for offering the settlement.

Also, think of that sister in Canada, who refused to settle, won her case, and then ended up owing a huge amount in court costs because she didn't settle out of court when she had the chance.

I don't know if these US victims got the closure they were looking for, but Jehovah will provide that for them sooner or later. Where human courts fail, Jehovah's court will succeed.

FaithfulJW
12-10-2007, 10:45 PM
While loyalists to the organization as well as the uninformed press may take the Watchtower’s brief response at face value, there are, nonetheless, a number of cleverly-worded statements that warrant scrutiny...

This latest commentary from e-watchman.com takes a careful look at the facts surrounding the latest press release from the Watchtower organization in response to the organization's having made headlines in child molestation.

The Watchtower Deceives the Media and Jehovah's Witnesses (http://e-watchman.com/)
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I view it as dificult times to deal with.

James
12-11-2007, 12:31 AM
<div class='quotemain'>While loyalists to the organization as well as the uninformed press may take the Watchtower&#39;s brief response at face value, there are, nonetheless, a number of cleverly-worded statements that warrant scrutiny...

This latest commentary from e-watchman.com takes a careful look at the facts surrounding the latest press release from the Watchtower organization in response to the organization&#39;s having made headlines in child molestation.

The Watchtower Deceives the Media and Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses (http://e-watchman.com/)
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I view it as dificult times to deal with.
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You are correct, and that is why we are here.

I hope you do see that the time remaining is short and that the WT DOES have WEEDS growing amongst the wheat and that their proclamation of &#39;spiritual paradise&#39; is false, not only because of the &#39;dual lives&#39; that the leaders, from the GB, but all down the line to the elders, who also have a measure of latitude to make decisions(the JC) at the local level. But also, I find it ludicrous to make that claim when we know that cannot be true as long as we remain in a sinful condition in a world STILL controlled by Satan and his demons.
Jesus has NOT sat down on his throne in 1914.


agape brother fjw,
James

Eli&#39;s Foe
12-11-2007, 06:40 PM
I view it as dificult times to deal with.[/b]


A sad misapplication FJW. Let me encourage you to take time and read Robert&#39;s essays and commentaries, there is so much to learn you are certain to be encouraged.

EF

billy
12-12-2007, 12:48 AM
Very discerning article Watchman

After reading the recent Awake article on this subject - i also came away thinking - why isnt anything mentioned about the problem within the organization? - why arent the brothers and sisters told whats going on - it just allows more naivety within the congregations and more opportunities for the predators!

it amazes me to observe the wto fear of truth

Jinnvisible
12-12-2007, 01:05 AM
<div class='quotemain'>Hence ~ not being dealt with.

Nash
12-12-2007, 04:57 AM
I agree with Eli&#39;s Foe 100%, FaithfulJW.

It&#39;s true, the times are hard to deal with. Why does the Watchtower make the times even harder to deal with for Jehovah&#39;s people? Is it some kind of persecution complex?

Nash

Jade
12-12-2007, 04:21 PM
Unfortunately people are so trusting of the society there is no room to question anything it says. I feel so sorry for some of my family members who are so taken in by it all. One of my family members says it makes a chill go down her spine if we question the Society so we&#39;ve learned we have to keep our mouth&#39;s shut when something like this is so obvious, its a real struggle because we&#39;d love for them to know the truth and real justice - but all in Jehovah&#39;s good time.