Chapter 3 - The Harvest

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Here is a link to the chapter in audio and for reading, https://jehovah-is-king.com/harvest/

It seems that an explanation of the Harvest would be a good start, at least what is to me a correct understanding. And, to not spend the initial time in refuting doctrinal error, at least to start with.

Jesus used the term “harvest” in two different ways. One way was in general to illustrate the work that dedicated Christians perform in witnessing with the goal of making disciples. He also used the term harvest in a very specific way in describing events during the concluding judgment. As pointed out in Chapter 3, the difference in the two analogies is that in the final harvest the reapers are angels and not christian ministers. Here are some scriptures to consider.

Matthew 13:30: “Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse.’”

Jesus’ explanation is found at Matthew 13:40-42: “Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.”

I’m particularly interested in Matthew 13:43 because it is my hope to see the fulfillment of this prophecy.

Matthew 13:43: “At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen.”

Just to highlight how important this event will be and how recognizable it should be to people of faith, I did a search for scriptures that similarly describe times when this brightness of the sun was used as a description or an event that was witnessed as indicating a supernatural event so that we can understand what we will be seeing in the future.

Transfiguration at Matthew 17:2: “And he was transfigured before them; his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant as the light.“

Acts 26:13: “I saw at midday on the road, O King, a light beyond the brilliance of the sun flash from heaven around me and around those traveling with me.“

Revelation 1:16: “And he had in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth a sharp, long, two-edged sword was protruding, and his countenance was like the sun when it shines at its brightest.”

Revelation 10:1: “And I saw another strong angel descending from heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow was on his head, and his face was like the sun, and his legs were like pillars of fire“
 
Who “will shine as brightly as the expanse of heaven”? We find a clue in Jesus’ words recorded at Matthew 13:43: “At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father.” In the context of these words, Jesus was speaking about “the sons of the Kingdom,” his anointed brothers, who will serve with him in the heavenly Kingdom. (Matt. 13:38) So Daniel 12:3 must be referring to the anointed and the work they will do during the Thousand Year Reign.

This was from the Watchtower study a few weeks ago.
 
Who “will shine as brightly as the expanse of heaven”? We find a clue in Jesus’ words recorded at Matthew 13:43: “At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father.” In the context of these words, Jesus was speaking about “the sons of the Kingdom,” his anointed brothers, who will serve with him in the heavenly Kingdom. (Matt. 13:38) So Daniel 12:3 must be referring to the anointed and the work they will do during the Thousand Year Reign.

This was from the Watchtower study a few weeks ago.
Well actually I think the Watchtower, or those who are directing it, have obfuscated this event (the revealing of the sons of God) as much as possible. They have placed themselves as Jehovah’s channel today, right now, which in and of itself is a teaching that makes the revealing of the sons of God of no real importance. By the way, why don’t you post the exact part of the Watchtower you want to talk about? Isn’t it lazy to be so vague and leave those who haven‘t read the Watchtower wondering what you are talking about?
 
Who “will shine as brightly as the expanse of heaven”? We find a clue in Jesus’ words recorded at Matthew 13:43: “At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father.” In the context of these words, Jesus was speaking about “the sons of the Kingdom,” his anointed brothers, who will serve with him in the heavenly Kingdom. (Matt. 13:38) So Daniel 12:3 must be referring to the anointed and the work they will do during the Thousand Year Reign.

This was from the Watchtower study a few weeks ago.
By the way, the fact that the righteous ones who will shine are the anointed was covered in Chapter 2 and so I assumed everyone following these threads already knows this.
 
Well actually I think the Watchtower, or those who are directing it, have obfuscated this event (the revealing of the sons of God) as much as possible. They have placed themselves as Jehovah’s channel today, right now, which in and of itself is a teaching that makes the revealing of the sons of God of no real importance. By the way, why don’t you post the exact part of the Watchtower you want to talk about? Isn’t it lazy to be so vague and leave those who haven‘t read the Watchtower wondering what you are talking about?
Sorry, maybe I was being lazy. Study article 40 paragraph 10. It is just interesting to me that the shining brightly was always a post 1914 event, but that was based on 1914 being the start of the great tribulation. In 1970the GT was moved forward but they left the shining brightly in Daniel as early 20th century. Now Daniel’s shinging brightly is future and they are quoting Matt 13:43 but not making the connection about the harvest.

End of James video quotes James 5:7 until they can’t quote it and delete the word presence.
 
Lo siento, tal vez estaba siendo flojo. Estudie el artículo 40, párrafo 10. Es interesante para mí que el brillo resplandeciente siempre fue un evento posterior a 1914, pero eso se basó en que 1914 fue el comienzo de la gran tribulación. En 1970, el GT se adelantó, pero dejó brillar intensamente en Daniel a principios del siglo XX. Ahora, el resplandecer brillante de Daniel es futuro y están citando Mateo 13:43 pero sin hacer la conexión acerca de la cosecha.

El final del video de Santiago cita a Santiago 5:7 hasta que no pueden citarlo y eliminan la palabra presencia.
Exodo 34:29- 29 Cuando Moisés descendió del monte Sinaí, traía en sus manos las dos tablas de la ley. Pero no sabía que, por haberle hablado el Señor, de su rostro salía un haz de luz. El brillo resplandeciente también sucedió antes de 1914.
 
At 1 Corinthians 3:9 Paul referred to Christ’s congregation (anointed) as: a) God’s fellow workers, b) God’s field under cultivation, and c) God’s building. Then in the following verses he said that each one’s work will be shown for what it is, for the day will show it up, because it will be revealed by means of fire, and the fire itself will prove what sort of work each one has built.

Since “the day” hasn’t come yet, although it appears to be very close, they are still a field under cultivation. Let’s pray that they cultivate fireproof qualities.
 
What stood out to me in this Chapter 3 ("The Harvest") of Robert's book is the spiritual topsy-turvyness of the Watchtower. As we all know, they are hell bent on sticking with 1914 as the pivotal year in JW folklore, but go about rather blatantly contradicting themselves in their various attempts to explain and interpret Jesus' illustrations regarding his Kingdom and the judgment period.

Illustrations such as the wheat and the weeds, the sheep and the goats, the faithful and evil slaves, the dragnet, the wedding feast, the wise and foolish virgins, and the parable of the talents amongst a litany of other writings, some by Paul and others in John's revelation, are nicely tied together in this chapter and shown to be related illustrations.

Quoting Robert, "What can account for this maddening method of interpretation, whereby multiple meanings are contrived from obviously related illustrations? The only rational explanation for the Watchtower's blatantly contradictory teachings is that they are determined to prop up the fallacy that Christ began ruling the world in 1914 - no matter the cost to their credibility." - Page 45 of the book on pdf

Solid meat in this chapter, not unlike the other chapters!
 
What stood out to me in this Chapter 3 ("The Harvest") of Robert's book is the spiritual topsy-turvyness of the Watchtower. As we all know, they are hell bent on sticking with 1914 as the pivotal year in JW folklore, but go about rather blatantly contradicting themselves in their various attempts to explain and interpret Jesus' illustrations regarding his Kingdom and the judgment period.

Illustrations such as the wheat and the weeds, the sheep and the goats, the faithful and evil slaves, the dragnet, the wedding feast, the wise and foolish virgins, and the parable of the talents amongst a litany of other writings, some by Paul and others in John's revelation, are nicely tied together in this chapter and shown to be related illustrations.

Quoting Robert, "What can account for this maddening method of interpretation, whereby multiple meanings are contrived from obviously related illustrations? The only rational explanation for the Watchtower's blatantly contradictory teachings is that they are determined to prop up the fallacy that Christ began ruling the world in 1914 - no matter the cost to their credibility." - Page 45 of the book on pdf

Solid meat in this chapter, not unlike the other chapters!
Great points.
 
Lo que me llamó la atención en este capítulo 3 ("La cosecha") del libro de Robert es el caos espiritual de la Watchtower. Como todos sabemos, están empeñados en apegarse a 1914 como el año fundamental en el folclore de JW, pero se contradicen abiertamente en sus diversos intentos de explicar e interpretar las ilustraciones de Jesús con respecto a su Reino y el período del juicio.

Ilustraciones como el trigo y la cizaña, las ovejas y las cabras, los esclavos fieles y los malos, la red barredera, el banquete de bodas, las vírgenes prudentes y las insensatas, y la parábola de los talentos entre una letanía de otros escritos, algunos de Pablo y otras en la revelación de Juan, están muy bien unidas en este capítulo y se muestran como ilustraciones relacionadas.

Citando a Robert, "¿Qué puede explicar este enloquecedor método de interpretación, mediante el cual se crean múltiples significados a partir de ilustraciones obviamente relacionadas? La única explicación racional para las enseñanzas descaradamente contradictorias de la Watchtower es que están determinadas a apuntalar la falacia de que Cristo comenzó a gobernar el mundo en 1914, sin importar el costo de su credibilidad". - Página 45 del libro en pdf

¡Carne sólida en este capítulo, no muy diferente de los otros capítulos!
Solo el amor a la verdad le hace a un cristiano reflexionar y asumir el equívoco. La verdad le pertenece a Jehová y los que le temen deben apegarse a ella. Todos hemos de pasar por ese paso puesto que todos hemos estado confundidos. Por eso la condición humilde es tan importante y el amor a la verdad debe mover nuestra fe. Amor, amor y más amor. Es vital en estos tiempos turbulentos. De modo que os mando un poco del mío, pareja hermosa!! Cada vez estamos más cerca de contemplar el propósito de nuestro Padre. Aguante, queridos!!♥️😘
 
Couple years back I pointed out to the elders that the angels will collect the weeds out from his Kingdom Mt 13:41. I asked them to define "His Kingdom" They had no answer. But even if the answer is not specified in the verse. "His Kingdom" should have told them that is not a place that the clergy would be found. The W/T teaches that the weeds are the clergy. I was not able to convince them.
 
Who “will shine as brightly as the expanse of heaven”? We find a clue in Jesus’ words recorded at Matthew 13:43: “At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father.” In the context of these words, Jesus was speaking about “the sons of the Kingdom,” his anointed brothers, who will serve with him in the heavenly Kingdom. (Matt. 13:38) So Daniel 12:3 must be referring to the anointed and the work they will do during the Thousand Year Reign.

This was from the Watchtower study a few weeks ago.

The W/T has it all wrong as usual "At that time" refers to after the weeds have been collected out from his Kingdom and thrown into the fiery furnace. "at that time the righteous will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father" while still here on the earth. Which constitutes the revealing of the son's of God. BTW just continue posting you views we're not here to teach one another. if we learn from each other well and good. But by all means share.
 
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Here is a link to the chapter in audio and for reading, https://jehovah-is-king.com/harvest/

It seems that an explanation of the Harvest would be a good start, at least what is to me a correct understanding. And, to not spend the initial time in refuting doctrinal error, at least to start with.

Jesus used the term “harvest” in two different ways. One way was in general to illustrate the work that dedicated Christians perform in witnessing with the goal of making disciples. He also used the term harvest in a very specific way in describing events during the concluding judgment. As pointed out in Chapter 3, the difference in the two analogies is that in the final harvest the reapers are angels and not christian ministers. Here are some scriptures to consider.

Matthew 13:30: “Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse.’”

Jesus’ explanation is found at Matthew 13:40-42: “Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.”

I’m particularly interested in Matthew 13:43 because it is my hope to see the fulfillment of this prophecy.

Matthew 13:43: “At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen.”

Just to highlight how important this event will be and how recognizable it should be to people of faith, I did a search for scriptures that similarly describe times when this brightness of the sun was used as a description or an event that was witnessed as indicating a supernatural event so that we can understand what we will be seeing in the future.

Transfiguration at Matthew 17:2: “And he was transfigured before them; his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant as the light.“

Acts 26:13: “I saw at midday on the road, O King, a light beyond the brilliance of the sun flash from heaven around me and around those traveling with me.“

Revelation 1:16: “And he had in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth a sharp, long, two-edged sword was protruding, and his countenance was like the sun when it shines at its brightest.”

Revelation 10:1: “And I saw another strong angel descending from heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow was on his head, and his face was like the sun, and his legs were like pillars of fire“
It would be interesting to know what sort of light it actually is that shines so brightly, but does not of itself, hide the facial features. Light also gives off heat, but that is not mentioned as one would expect. Also, the one appearing is recognisable in form, something that would be impossible in a light of that intensity. I am wondering if there is some connection here between purity and light. The light has a meaning. Jesus materialised a body after his resurrection in a normal form so that the apostles would recognise him, even with the wounds that he received but without the pain presumably. So the generation of light in such intensity has a meaning or representation - it certainly did for Paul as he was subjected to three days of blindness - I assume equal to the time Jesus spent in the grave, but in other such representations there was no blindness recorded for the onlooker.
 
Sorry, but I'm confused......as I too learned that Jesus began to reign in 1914 when He was enthroned end at there would be no end to it. But at the same time I learned that He would reign for 1,000 years, to bring the other sheep to perfection, and after those 1,000 years would return His Kingdom to His Father. Okay, a little confusing, but okay.
My question was then and very frequently after that, until even yesterday, If He started in 1914 and reigns for 1,000 years, then there are about 108 years of those 1,000 years already passed, right?
Answer: No, I see that wrong, that 1000 year only starts after Armageddon. Oh yes, that's true, I say, but then how can he rule now from 1914 when he REIGNS a total of 1,000 YEARS according to Revelation?
A total blank look of how can I be sooooo stupid after all these years of being in the truth, sad though.

How happy and grateful I am with Robert's book and all the explanations and the comments in this thread, so that there can be some line in my thinking. 1671613810011.png
 
It would be interesting to know what sort of light it actually is that shines so brightly, but does not of itself, hide the facial features. Light also gives off heat, but that is not mentioned as one would expect. Also, the one appearing is recognisable in form, something that would be impossible in a light of that intensity. I am wondering if there is some connection here between purity and light. The light has a meaning. Jesus materialised a body after his resurrection in a normal form so that the apostles would recognise him, even with the wounds that he received but without the pain presumably. So the generation of light in such intensity has a meaning or representation - it certainly did for Paul as he was subjected to three days of blindness - I assume equal to the time Jesus spent in the grave, but in other such representations there was no blindness recorded for the onlooker.

No one can see God and live. That likely will be the case with Jesus in his present glory. In the case of Moses he didn't see Jehovah directly. Jehovah placed Moses in a safe place and Moses glimpsed Jehovah as Jehovah passed by. So Moses did not see Jehovah's full glory and yet when Moses came down from the mountain he was glowing likely from radiation, indicating how powerful Jehovah's glory is. Saul on the other hand while on his way to Damascus, saw Jesus full glory, and as you say was blinded. I suspect that if the Christ not had a purpose for Saul he would have been killed by Jesus glory ( speculation ) whereas the likes of Daniel, John James and Peter only had a vision of Christ's magnificence. So the righteous ones shining as brightly as the sun, I suspect is simply their awesome magnificent glory and power. I heard it said that if a portion of our Sun's energy the size of a marble were to hit earth, it would take out an area as big as New York city. If that were true, Then that gives us somewhat of an indication of Jehovah's power. Keep in mind that when the sons of God are revealed and eventually gain their heavenly status as immortal beings, they will have life within themselves, ie they will not need Jehovah to sustain them. They will be that powerful. That is the way I see it at least.
 
Lo siento, pero estoy confundido... ya que yo también aprendí que Jesús comenzó a reinar en 1914 cuando fue entronizado y no tendría fin. Pero al mismo tiempo aprendí que El reinaría por 1,000 años, para llevar a la perfección a las otras ovejas, y después de esos 1,000 años regresaría Su Reino a Su Padre. Está bien, un poco confuso, pero está bien.
Mi pregunta era entonces y muy frecuentemente después de eso, hasta ayer, si Él comenzó en 1914 y reina por 1,000 años, entonces ya pasaron 108 años de esos 1,000 años, ¿verdad?
Respuesta: No, lo veo mal, ese año 1000 solo comienza después del Armagedón. Oh si, eso es cierto, digo, pero entonces ¿cómo puede gobernar ahora desde 1914 cuando REINA un total de 1,000 AÑOS según Apocalipsis?
Una mirada totalmente en blanco de cómo puedo ser tan estúpido después de todos estos años de estar en la verdad, aunque triste.

Qué feliz y agradecida estoy con el libro de Robert y todas las explicaciones y los comentarios en este hilo, para que pueda haber alguna línea en mi pensamiento.View attachment 2529
Gracias Señor, por permitirnos comprender tu mensaje y usar como herramientas a simples mortales y así poder recibir la bondad inmerecida que nos diste por medio de tu hijo, Jesús. Saludos!!♥️
 
After the publication of the 1st and 2nd editions, the WT revised its explanation of the dragnet. An article in 2014 brought it more in line with what I presented; however, because they are stuck on 1914 they claimed that the angels are actively tossing out unsuitable persons now. That is especially troubling given that the Watchtower has done everything in its power to protect and conceal the identity of the thousands of pedophiles who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses. Why wouldn't the angels toss the child abusers? Anyway, that is why I wrote this article in response: Are the Angels Killing Off Your Bible Students?
 
I heard that the W/T don't do a year book anymore. The growth has slowed somewhat prehaps.
They only publish what suites their needs. Altruism and purpose died long ago with them, circa 1916 (if not before) and was replaced with money - and spirituality replaced with business acumen - and love replaced with dominance and control, truth replaced with lies, and finally hope replaced with despair. They are now bent on replacing life with death.
 
The W/T has it all wrong as usual "At that time" refers to after the weeds have been collected out from his Kingdom and thrown into the fiery furnace. "at that time the righteous will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father" while still here on the earth. Which constitutes the revealing of the son's of God. BTW just continue posting you views we're not here to teach one another. if we learn from each other well and good. But by all means share.
We're not here to teach one another? What are we here for? Proverbs 27:17 I don't feel learning is a by product of the forum but a real teaching aid. If it wasn't I wouldn't waste my time. This old fart has learned a lot from the teachings of the folks on here.
 
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