Chapter 4 - The Judgment

SusanB

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Here is a link to the full chapter for both reading and for audio: https://jehovah-is-king.com/judgment/

This chapter starts off with some great points. The first one that caught my attention is that the first time Jesus threw out the moneychangers was his first trip to Jerusalem after being baptized and in his role as the Messiah. And, then on his last visit to Jerusalem for the Passover, he again threw out the moneychangers. Today we can expect that Jesus will be coming to inspect the great spiritual, temple-like, organization that claims him as their cornerstone.

1 Peter 2:4-6: “As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but chosen, precious to God, you yourselves as living stones are being built up into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, in order to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it says in Scripture: “Look! I am laying in Zion a chosen stone, a precious foundation cornerstone, and no one exercising faith in it will ever be disappointed.”

What did you appreciate in Chapter 4?
 
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I think this scripture is again telling us that our bodies are our temples with which we are to render sacred service to God day and night. Peter describes US as “living stones” who are rejected by the worldly men but precious to God. And with us as true followers of Jesus we will ourselves be built up into a spiritual temple. Jesus is our precious foundational cornerstone upon which we are to build our faith and spiritual temples within ourselves.
Do a word search in the JW Bible app for the word “religion” and you will find only two occurrences of the word in the Bible and both are either made about false religion or made by a person who practiced false religion and assumes the worship of the True God was just another religion. Kind of like how birthdays aren’t specifically condemned in the Bible but their badness is implied in the two instances in which the word birthday is used.
So I don’t think Jehovah or Jesus had an earthly organization in mind when he set up residence in the temple of our bodies... but that’s just my interpretation of scripture, as you asked. 💝
 
"It is, therefore, evident that all Christians living at the time of Christ’s inspection will be “liquefied” in the blast furnace of God’s heated anger. In both illustrations only the precious metals will remain after the judgment is concluded."

quote: It says here that 'all Christians' will be purified. So does this mean not only the anointed ones, but also the 'sheep' and even the 'Christians in name'?
 
evw said:
"It is, therefore, evident that all Christians living at the time of Christ’s inspection will be “liquefied” in the blast furnace of God’s heated anger. In both illustrations only the precious metals will remain after the judgment is concluded."

quote: It says here that 'all Christians' will be purified. So does this mean not only the anointed ones, but also the 'sheep' and even the 'Christians in name'?
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I think we’ll have to wait for Robert King to address your question. When reading the chapter it states that the refining of the silver really pertains to the anointed. Starting at the bottom of page 3 in that chapter it says: “The prophecy speaks to “the sons of Levi”—in other words, the cleansing pertains to the anointed congregation of Christ.” And, then later in the chapter I see where you are referencing that he says all Christians will be purified. I am guessing that will be 1) by extension those not anointed will suffer from Jehovah’s anger as well, and/or 2) because of the fall of the Watchtower those who are not anointed will no longer have the congregations and the organization to support them and so their faith in Jehovah and Jesus will be put to the test? Great question.
 
Driven said:
I think we’ll have to wait for Robert King to address your question. When reading the chapter it states that the refining of the silver really pertains to the anointed. Starting at the bottom of page 3 in that chapter it says: “The prophecy speaks to “the sons of Levi”—in other words, the cleansing pertains to the anointed congregation of Christ.” And, then later in the chapter I see where you are referencing that he says all Christians will be purified. I am guessing that will be 1) by extension those not anointed will suffer from Jehovah’s anger as well, and/or 2) because of the fall of the Watchtower those who are not anointed will no longer have the congregations and the organization to support them and so their faith in Jehovah and Jesus will be put to the test? Great question.
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thank you; I also read somewhere from Robert that Jehovah examines the heart. From that I understand that a person does not really have to be baptized as a JW?????
 
evw said:
thank you; I also read somewhere from Robert that Jehovah examines the heart. From that I understand that a person does not really have to be baptized as a JW?????
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Excellent question. That is one that I still ponder and do not have an answer for.
 
evw said:
thank you; I also read somewhere from Robert that Jehovah examines the heart. From that I understand that a person does not really have to be baptized as a JW?????
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I think it might be helpful to do a study on baptism. From what I can quickly find, baptism was unique to the Christian Greek scriptures. Here is something Paul said at 1 Corinthians 1:17: “For Christ sent me, not to baptize, but to declare the good news; and not with wisdom of speech, so that the torture stake of the Christ should not be made useless.” I don’t mean to downplay the role of baptism but I think Jehovah isn’t a stickler on details but he wants us to look at the big picture and not lose sight of the message by focusing on the mechanics. Admittedly I need to do more research on it. Jesus himself when he appeared after his death included baptism in his instructions along with the preaching commission.

So, I think the question for those who have not gotten baptized is to pray and research exactly what baptism means, what is the purpose, the scriptural examples and while you continue to learn more about Jehovah from his word, prayerfully consider what he would want for you to do. I think that Robert King has pointed out that one of the main purposes of the worship described in the law of Moses was to point to the Messiah and he fulfilled that law. Then, the progression to Christianity. The main purpose of Christianity is really the development of the Chosen Ones aka sealed anointed, which makes perfect sense. Of course I have had others say that Christianity is also to bring about the Great Crowd that survives Armageddon and I think that is likely true as well and fits with Jehovah’s purpose.
 
Thank you Driven. A verry interesting question about what is the meaning of being babtized.
It got me thinking, since an RV was baptized first in the Catholic Church, then in the Evangelists and now she wants to be baptized in the JWs and, let's face it, I keep asking her Why? It's like taking off one coat for another? Yet she is very sincere. I know for myself that getting baptized was the most important thing then 35 years ago and still is. Only now it is a constant fight to make it clear that I dedicated myself to Jehovah and Jesus at that time and not to an organization. Well, the answer is often, that's what you got and you have to obey them.......... No!
So my next project is 'Baptize, why?' To get answers for myself first and then for my RV. Oh all help is welcome with this 1672644254535.png1672644284009.png
 
According to a few prophecies that harmonizes, there is a coming day or time of fire, when all inferior materials would be burned up and all scummy dross would be removed so that what would remain would be what is precious. So, I thought I would put some of those scriptures in one post.

Malachi 3:2-5: “But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen. And he will sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver and will cleanse the sons of Leʹvi; and he will clarify them like gold and like silver, and they will certainly become to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness. And the gift offering of Judah and of Jerusalem will actually be pleasing to Jehovah, as in the days of long ago and as in the years of antiquity. “I will come near to you for judgment, and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who take false oaths, against those who defraud the hired worker, the widow, and the fatherless child, and against those who refuse to help the foreigner. These have not feared me,” says Jehovah of armies.”

Ezekiel 22:19-22: “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Because all of you have become like worthless dross, I am collecting you together inside Jerusalem. Just as silver and copper and iron and lead and tin are collected inside a furnace in order to blow fire upon them and melt them, so I will collect you together in my anger and in my rage, and I will blow upon you and make you melt. I will bring you together and blow upon you with the fire of my fury, and you will be melted inside of her. Just as silver is melted in a furnace, so you will be melted inside her; and you will have to know that I myself, Jehovah, have poured out my rage on you.’”

Isaiah 1:25: “I will turn my hand against you, I will smelt away your dross as with lye, And I will remove all your impurities.”

1 Corinthians 3:12-15: “Now if anyone builds on the foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, each one’s work will be shown for what it is, for the day will show it up, because it will be revealed by means of fire, and the fire itself will prove what sort of work each one has built. If anyone’s work that he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward; if anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved; yet, if so, it will be as through fire.”
 
Driven said:
According to a few prophecies that harmonizes, there is a coming day or time of fire, when all inferior materials would be burned up and all scummy dross would be removed so that what would remain would be what is precious. So, I thought I would put some of those scriptures in one post.

Malachi 3:2-5: “But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen. And he will sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver and will cleanse the sons of Leʹvi; and he will clarify them like gold and like silver, and they will certainly become to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness. And the gift offering of Judah and of Jerusalem will actually be pleasing to Jehovah, as in the days of long ago and as in the years of antiquity. “I will come near to you for judgment, and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who take false oaths, against those who defraud the hired worker, the widow, and the fatherless child, and against those who refuse to help the foreigner. These have not feared me,” says Jehovah of armies.”

Ezekiel 22:19-22: “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Because all of you have become like worthless dross, I am collecting you together inside Jerusalem. Just as silver and copper and iron and lead and tin are collected inside a furnace in order to blow fire upon them and melt them, so I will collect you together in my anger and in my rage, and I will blow upon you and make you melt. I will bring you together and blow upon you with the fire of my fury, and you will be melted inside of her. Just as silver is melted in a furnace, so you will be melted inside her; and you will have to know that I myself, Jehovah, have poured out my rage on you.’”

Isaiah 1:25: “I will turn my hand against you, I will smelt away your dross as with lye, And I will remove all your impurities.”

1 Corinthians 3:12-15: “Now if anyone builds on the foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, each one’s work will be shown for what it is, for the day will show it up, because it will be revealed by means of fire, and the fire itself will prove what sort of work each one has built. If anyone’s work that he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward; if anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved; yet, if so, it will be as through fire.”
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Wow! It a wonder my iPad has not melted. It is very difficult to envisage Jehovah except through His writing. He writes a beautiful prose that reiterates and translates itself in various ways that explains Himself to all readers. The nuances of meaning are pure poetry. It matters not the language that it is translated into when each corner of meaning is portrayed with clarity aforethought. Just think what the original language was like - a description of perfection itself.
 
Driven said:
Ezekiel 22:19-22: “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Because all of you have become like worthless dross, I am collecting you together inside Jerusalem. Just as silver and copper and iron and lead and tin are collected inside a furnace in order to blow fire upon them and melt them, so I will collect you together in my anger and in my rage, and I will blow upon you and make you melt. I will bring you together and blow upon you with the fire of my fury, and you will be melted inside of her. Just as silver is melted in a furnace, so you will be melted inside her; and you will have to know that I myself, Jehovah, have poured out my rage on you.’”
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I just had to highlight this part of Ezekiel this morning. Wow. It appears Jehovah has warned us that he is collecting the worthless things inside Jerusalem (aka the symbolic group of anointed ones) so that when he refines all of his people they will know it is from Jehovah. Amazing!
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Wow! It a wonder my iPad has not melted. It is very difficult to envisage Jehovah except through His writing. He writes a beautiful prose that reiterates and translates itself in various ways that explains Himself to all readers. The nuances of meaning are pure poetry. It matters not the language that it is translated into when each corner of meaning is portrayed with clarity aforethought. Just think what the original language was like - a description of perfection itself.
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Absolutely love your expressions, such depth. Are you bilingual? I am, you perhaps remind me of me, ☺️
 
Ana said:
Es trilingüe en realidad, es absolutamente camino. Extrae el jugo del hueso mas duro dejándolo blanco, limpio, casi inmaculado, listo para admirarlo. El es capaz de sacar un brillo reluciente. Le amamos mucho por ello.❤️
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Translation: It's really trilingual, it's absolutely the way. Extract the juice from the hardest bone leaving it white, clean, almost immaculate, ready to admire it. He is able to bring out a gleaming shine. We love him very much for it. ❤️
Ana said:
Canino quería decir, no camino, jeje...por lo de perro más bien.
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Translation: Canine wanted to say, I don't walk, hehe... because of the dog rather.
 
SusanB said:
I think we’ll have to wait for Robert King to address your question. When reading the chapter it states that the refining of the silver really pertains to the anointed. Starting at the bottom of page 3 in that chapter it says: “The prophecy speaks to “the sons of Levi”—in other words, the cleansing pertains to the anointed congregation of Christ.” And, then later in the chapter I see where you are referencing that he says all Christians will be purified. I am guessing that will be 1) by extension those not anointed will suffer from Jehovah’s anger as well, and/or 2) because of the fall of the Watchtower those who are not anointed will no longer have the congregations and the organization to support them and so their faith in Jehovah and Jesus will be put to the test? Great question.
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I think the events of the great tribulation will separate many of us from a lot of notions, habits and mistaken priorities we all have formed this side of that event.
 
Ms_ladyblue said:
Translation: It's really trilingual, it's absolutely the way. Extract the juice from the hardest bone leaving it white, clean, almost immaculate, ready to admire it. He is able to bring out a gleaming shine. We love him very much for it. ❤️

Translation: Canine wanted to say, I don't walk, hehe... because of the dog rather.
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