The Chosen TV Series

Nomex said:
There is a very good reason Paul "got tired of it." The demon could not possibly have been mistaken for having any good intentions for proclaiming "these men are slaves of the most high God." I think it very likely, if you think about it, the demon was mocking them. Regardless this demon who is condemned to death could not possibly have had any good motive.

On the other hand, humans because of our inherited imperfections, unlike Satan, the demons, and Adam and Eve, when they sinned there was no redemption for them, however, for the very large and vast majority of us, final judgement has not happened yet. Jesus apostles had a lot of their own preconceived ideas about what the Messiah was going to do, right up until his death. Peter himself, "be good to yourself lord, this will not be your fate at all."

The Chosen is based on the Bible, "which is alive" and while I agree, they clearly do not have the "truth" and may not be true worshipers, the Bible IS the source material, and I personally think they have done a very good job and have enjoyed watching it with my daughter. You have the right to disagree, but I have the same right. I know all the scriptures too quoted here. But the scriptures you quoted from in Revelation, were sent to the congregations of actual anointed Christians. We have to consider the context. Jesus said the thing he said to those congregations because they had NOT been misled by false teachers. They had been taught by his apostles and disciples.

History is repeating itself. Those in Christendom are in the exact same position that the Jews in Jesus day were in. "Sheep cast about without a Shepard."

One last thing I would like to point out. I think we can all agree, Jehovah has made sure the Bible was made available to just about everyone on earth. When Christs brothers come on the scene, the most receptive ones to their message will be these professed Christians. History will repeat itself, and the message will brought to "Christians" first, the same way the Jews were preached to first!

Now, if The Chosen was blatantly not Biblical, that would be different. But to my point that Jehovah made sure his word was made available to most people on earth, then HE is the author.

I think ask yourself if Jehovah would stop someone from using his word to praise him and his son, rather than thinking he would not allow it. Again, in the case of the demons, that is why they are silenced, they do not have a good motive, even when they tell the truth so I am not talking about the demons.


So rather then look at this as a "black and white" scenario, we have to look at all factors. One of which is why God has allowed this system to go on this long. Remember the bible also said, God doesn't need people to declare the good news, he could use the "rocks to cry out".
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Hi Nomex, Viva La Difference. I guess this is why we have forums so that people can have differences of opinion. And, as my comment began, the scriptures that this thread brings to my mind have not changed. Neither has my understanding of them. I see that you disagree and feel that the slave girl in Paul’s day was mocking him, but the scriptures don’t say that even though the idea of taunting and mocking are used in other scriptures. I don’t think the context shows it was taunting or mocking either. In fact, in my mind what it harmonizes with is the scripture that talks about Satan transforming himself into an angel of light in order to deceive. I think she was just trying to capitalize on Paul’s preaching success and trying to steal some of the credit to herself with trickery. But you do you.

I appreciate that you enjoy the series. I didn’t enjoy it and felt there was quite a bit of dramatic license and weirdness to it. I only watched the first 2 or 3 episodes and that was well over a year ago and so I don’t recall any specifics and I wouldn’t look to it for spiritual food. But again, I’m just expressing my thoughts and I’m not trying to convince anyone to watch or not watch. It just isn’t my cup of tea. Years ago I watched the 10 commandments by director Cecil B. DeMille and I was entertained by it and particularly that he introduced the movie and mentioned Jehovah’s name as the God of the Israelites, but to me it obviously wasn‘t biblically accurate and it was just entertainment and not spiritual food in my opinion. I will say that I do love the dramas by the Watchtower society and I acknowledge that in order to have enough dialogue to make a video, you have to take some dramatic license, but I think those dramas stay closer to the truth of the bible.

I’m not sure of your point regarding Revelation being written to the anointed ones. Of course, I assume we all know that, however, with Jehovah there isn’t one law for the anointed and a different one for the non-anointed. It is recorded so that we can all learn from it and make adjustments. And, you are incorrect in saying that those congregations had NOT been misled by false teachers. In fact Jesus said he will war with them if they don’t correct that situation and that is a pretty strong warning.

Revelation 2:14-16: “‘Nevertheless, I have a few things against you, that you have there those adhering to the teaching of Baʹlaam, who taught Baʹlak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality. In the same way, you also have those adhering to the teaching of the sect of Nic·o·laʹus. So repent. If you do not, I am coming to you quickly, and I will war against them with the long sword of my mouth.”

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Revelation 2:20: “ “‘Nevertheless, I do hold this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezʹe·bel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and misleads my slaves to commit sexual immorality and to eat things sacrificed to idols.“

But that said I have not found this thread to be upbuilding to me and I won’t be commenting on it again nor replying.
 
Medi-tator said:
Did I interpret your "task taking" correctly?
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I made a long post basically saying we should be careful the way we judge people because we cannot help but be influenced by certain biases. Reading it back... well it sounds different now, but it sounded really good in my head at the time. This is one of those situations where the intent and meaning is lost in translation when your trying to communicate in this format! :oops:
 
SusanB said:
And, you are incorrect in saying that those congregations had NOT been misled by false teachers.
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You misunderstood what I meant. I'm talking about the difference between Rome taking over Christianity and basically merging it with paganism, and the 1st century Christians. I meant the 1st Century Christians actually were taught directly by Christ and his apostles.
SusanB said:
I guess this is why we have forums so that people can have differences of opinion.
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I look at it completely differently. It's the actual meaning of "iron sharpening Iron." That requires quite a bit of friction and effort. I just sharpened a pick axe this week. I had an angle grinder, but I didn't have a grinding wheel, all I had is a cutting wheel. Now either way, you use this tool and you better respect it, it can cut your finger off. But that respect, friction and effort, is what sharpens the tool. I respect your point of view, but do not and would not dismiss it.
 
Nomex said:
I made a long post basically saying we should be careful the way we judge people because we cannot help but be influenced by certain biases. Reading it back... well it sounds different now, but it sounded really good in my head at the time. This is one of those situations where the intent and meaning is lost in translation when your trying to communicate in this format! :oops:
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You write like you surf! A vertical power gouge off the lip followed by a flowing round house cutback. 5 judges gave you a 10 for a perfect score on the cutty which followed your opening lip bash of an 8.5 . You are on to the next round! I managed to pick up an interference call so I will not be advancing!
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@SusanB

I can understand both of your perspectives. Your strength is often a weakness though. We don't want to be too dogmatic, but not too accepting. Read the thread about the horror movie that is disguised as Christian. Those in the know will discredit it, or if they choose not to, they will have to take a side. Those that don't will just be like the reeds in the wind. We are supposed to know the basics at the least. Israelites had to know the Law.

We need to be aware of things. In one way or another I believe all at the end has to come to the truth. Knowledge in itself isn't a be-all and end-all, but it's a foundation of figuring out what's wrong and what's not. Love is used to deal with others(especially brothers and sisters in truth), but knowledge is a tool for discernment and protection.
 
DavidCJ said:
We are supposed to know the basics at the least. Israelites had to know the Law.
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The "law" for us Christians is Jesus' commandment to love God and our neighbour.
37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’+ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’+ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”+

This is the basis upon which we need to build up our lives, and anyone who has any knowledge but doesn't apply these, what is it to them? In my book anyone who keeps these things is welcome.

We need to be aware of things. In one way or another I believe all at the end has to come to the truth.
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The question "What is truth?" can apply here...
6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way+ and the truth+ and the life.+ No one comes to the Father except through me.+

Think about the meaning of this.

I understand your points and I agree, and my starting point in any conversation is that most of us here do have this basic knowledge. It's the judging that I take issue with. What happened to "love your enemies"? Not that we're enemies but you get the picture...

Luke 6
27 “But I say to you who are listening: Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you,+ 28 to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you.+ 29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your outer garment, do not withhold the inner garment either.+ 30 Give to everyone asking you,+ and from the one taking your things away, do not ask them back.
31 “Also, just as you want men to do to you, do* the same way to them.+
(Also the rest of this chapter, but particularly vs 37...)

Romans 12
20 But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.”+

1 Peter 3
9 Do not pay back injury for injury+ or insult for insult.+ Instead, repay with a blessing,+ for you were called to this course, so that you might inherit a blessing.

Leviticus 19
18 “‘You must not take vengeance+ nor hold a grudge against the sons of your people, and you must love your fellow man as yourself.+ I am Jehovah.
 
Jahrule said:
I don't know who it was that first mentioned this show on this forum but I watched the first episode last night, and I just wanted to say that I love it so far. They obviously had to take some creative liberties in order to take the story from written to a visual medium like film. Some of the dialog is different, and some details probably never happened exactly as they are shown. But I'm willing to be charitable with it because the way they've done it, at least so far, is acceptable to me. They even taught me some stuff about the historical setting back then that I never knew, so it's given me a different appreciation for Jesus and his disciples. Here's a recap of the first episode.

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Vi la serie entera. Me gustó bastante y me acompañó en ocasiones en las que vivía situaciones complicadas. Me ayudó a repasar mucho material biblico. Pero tiene un gran fallo por encima de todos los que tiene, es inevitable humanamente hablando, y es que, en ningún momento mencionan el glorioso nombre de nuestro Dios, en ninguna de sus formas, Jehová o Yahve . Qué manera de querer ocultarlo. Al menos Indiana Jones no se olvida de El. 😉😘
 
Ana said:
Vi la serie entera. Me gustó bastante y me acompañó en ocasiones en las que vivía situaciones complicadas. Me ayudó a repasar mucho material biblico. Pero tiene un gran fallo por encima de todos los que tiene, es inevitable humanamente hablando, y es que, en ningún momento mencionan el glorioso nombre de nuestro Dios, en ninguna de sus formas, Jehová o Yahve . Qué manera de querer ocultarlo. Al menos Indiana Jones no se olvida de El. 😉😘
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Ana translation: I watched the whole series. I liked it a lot and it accompanied me on occasions when I lived in complicated situations. It helped me to review a lot of biblical material. But it has a great fault above all that it has, it is inevitable humanly speaking, and it is that, at no time do they mention the glorious name of our God, in any of its forms, Jehovah or Yahweh. What a way to want to hide it. At least Indiana Jones doesn't forget about Him. 😉😘
 
Ana said:
Vi la serie entera. Me gustó bastante y me acompañó en ocasiones en las que vivía situaciones complicadas. Me ayudó a repasar mucho material biblico. Pero tiene un gran fallo por encima de todos los que tiene, es inevitable humanamente hablando, y es que, en ningún momento mencionan el glorioso nombre de nuestro Dios, en ninguna de sus formas, Jehová o Yahve . Qué manera de querer ocultarlo. Al menos Indiana Jones no se olvida de El. 😉😘
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I give The Chosen a lot of slack because I think they did a great job telling the story this far, especially for evangelicals. They could still ruin it later by inserting their Trinity ideals into the story, but so far it has been very good considering the source it came from.


Le doy mucha holgura a The Chosen porque creo que hicieron un gran trabajo contando la historia hasta ahora, especialmente para los evangélicos. Aún podrían arruinarlo más tarde insertando sus ideales de la Trinidad en la historia, pero hasta ahora ha sido muy bueno considerando la fuente de donde vino.
 
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