Chapter 18 - Joel

Watchman said:
Yeah, like I said, no wonder the WT has emitted new light on Joel and relegated it to the ancient past. They reluctantly pried open the lid on the sealed box of Jehovah's mysteries and peered into the darkness of the abyss of oblivion and quickly slammed the lid shut.
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Probably doesn't belong here, but it makes me so sad....... How can you make someone aware of the things that are going on at the GB, which responds is like -

"It's great to be at the real congress again. Just the part about informal care and the love with which it was brought makes it 1000% clear that this is the truth was brought by the slave with Jehovah's grand blessing. You will not find it in any society, religion or social institution. This is very clearly Jehovah's instrument and full of his blessing." -

to a remark of mine, that the whole world is in the power of satan and that the GB is unfortunately not excluded from this.?
 
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evw said:
Probably doesn't belong here, but it makes me so sad....... How can you make someone aware of the things that are going on at the GB, which responds is like -

"It's great to be at the real congress again. Just the part about informal care and the love with which it was brought makes it 1000% clear that this is the truth was brought by the slave with Jehovah's grand blessing. You will not find it in any society, religion or social institution. This is very clearly Jehovah's instrument and full of his blessing." -

to a remark of mine, that the whole wealth is in the power of satan and that the GB is unfortunately not excluded from this.?
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Well, they are kinda right, maybe 85%. :ROFLMAO:
 
I had a thought about the book of Joel and the devastation that is coming upon the entire earth. So for background I want to quote Joel 1:3-7: “Tell about it to your sons, And let your sons tell about it to their sons, And their sons to the next generation. What was left by the devouring locust, the swarming locust has eaten; And what was left by the swarming locust, the unwinged locust has eaten; And what the unwinged locust has left, the voracious locust has eaten. Wake up, you drunkards, and weep! Wail, all you wine drinkers, Because the sweet wine has been taken from your mouths. For a nation has come up into my land, mighty and without number. Its teeth are the teeth of a lion, and its jaws are those of a lion. It has devastated my vine and turned my fig tree into a stump, Stripping them completely bare and tossing them aside, Leaving their twigs white.”

What I so appreciate about Robert King‘s explanation, and how I know it is actually a correct understanding, is that Brother King reveals the corresponding scriptures that show how Jehovah in times past referred to “ancient imperial systems” as locusts or like locusts and these ancient imperial systems are what he used to express his judgment on his people as well as others.

Here is a quote from the book: “Interestingly, God’s prophetic word also refers to the armies of both of his ancient imperial agents as locusts. For example, Jeremiah 46:23 says of the Chaldeans: “For they have become more numerous than the locust, and they are without number.”

Likewise, Nahum says of the Assyrians: “Even there fire will consume you. A sword will cut you down. It will devour you as the young locusts do. Make yourself as numerous as the young locusts! Yes, make yourself as numerous as the locusts! You have multiplied your merchants more than the stars of the heavens. The young locust strips off its skin and flies away. Your guards are like the locust, and your officers like a locust swarm.”

So, it is apparent that the locusts of Joel represent modern imperial forces that Jehovah has purposed to use in order to wreck the present nation-state system of things and bring himself into judgment with his people and the world.”
 
SusanB said:
Here is the link to the audio and written chapter: http://jehovah-is-king.com/joel/

The book of Joel is short but dynamic with just 3 chapters. This chapter begins by quoting Joel 1:4:

“What was left by the devouring locust, the swarming locust has eaten; and what was left by the swarming locust, the unwinged locust has eaten; and what the unwinged locust has left, the voracious locust has eaten.”

Robert King’s commentary starts off this abbreviated message:

“Swarming insects can be one of the most devastating natural forces on earth. A flying army of locusts can be as thick as a thundercloud—darkening the sky as they descend upon a ripened field—reducing it to mere stubble in a matter of minutes….

The Bible book of Joel presages not only a locust plague, but also an onslaught by an array of bothersome pests; including the voracious creeping caterpillar, the unwinged locust, and the loathsome cockroach. However, even more disconcerting is that these are not ordinary swarming insects, but are a representation of a mighty contingent of warriors that also resemble lions in their ferocity. The prophecy of Joel foretells that this irresistible military force will sweep the globe and bring devastation to the entire earth! That is no ordinary insect infestation!

The horrific, unstoppable, insect-like assault is a precursor to the great and fear- inspiring day of Jehovah and initiates the beginning of Judgment Day for the house of God. What, then, does this peculiar insect plague signify? ….”

Hopefully if we understand as much as we can about the book of Joel, we won’t be surprised or caught off guard when it happens.
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I think NASA started reading the bible book of Joel before 2001 when the Chief Scientist Dennis M Bushnell at the NASA Langley Research Center in 2001 gave a presentation, where he discusses future strategic issues and future warfare, circa 2025.

Here is a quote from NASA and notice it speaks of swarms/hordes: “NASA Future of War, ‘Circa 2025’ Next level of concern: Ubiquitous/cheap micro-to-nano EVERYTHING (sensors, munitions, weapons swarms/hordes)….

More info at this link but it’s probably a rabbit hole since we have no control over it but will just have to watch it all playout: https://x.com/inversionism/status/1694349730237591983?s=61
 
We have a lot to look forward to once the earthly systems collapse. Isn’t that just like Jehovah, to allow Satan and his followers to plot their wickedness and appear to make progress only to completely turn it around on them and use their own plots to bring their judgment? I hope we can all be eyewitnesses. As one podcaster says often “Don’t get dead”. Hang in there and you will see some amazing things. I’ll finish my comments on this chapter with this quote from Robert King’s book:

”After the fiery purge, the faithful will experience a dousing by the holy spirit not experienced since the original outpouring of spirit on the day of Pentecost. The 2nd chapter of Joel foretells that both the anointed (sons and daughters) and non-anointed (male slaves and female slaves) will receive the full measure of God’s holy spirit in order to accomplish the final phase of God’s work in the post-Watchtower period of the tribulation.

Joel 2:28-29 foretells: “After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, and your young men will see visions. And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days.”

However, unlike the day of Pentecost when the holy spirit begot the first sons of the Kingdom, the outpouring upon the sons and daughters during the day of Jehovah does not anoint them. That is because they will have already been anointed.

The ultimate fulfillment of the prophecy has to do with the body of Christ becoming fully accepted into the Kingdom by means of the final sealing; so that during the world’s darkest period the chosen ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their heavenly Father. That event will mark the long-anticipated revealing of the sons of God in connection with the manifestation of Christ himself.

The prophesying inspired by that outpouring of spirit will no doubt have to do with heralding the authentic parousia and the genuine establishment of the Kingdom. No, not in the manner that Jehovah’s Witnesses presently preach, but with spirit and power. The visions they will see will be the first-ever true understanding of the prophetic visions originally recorded in the Bible. Most especially, the vision of the transfiguration will be fulfilled by the visible presence of Christ among the chosen.

But instead of offering the hope of salvation to the nations, Jehovah’s true witnesses will then blow the horn and “shout a war cry.” Instead of exhorting men of the world to beat their swords into plowshares, God commands his witnesses to declare war upon the nations: “Proclaim this among the nations: ‘Prepare for war! Stir up the mighty men! Let all the soldiers draw near, let them advance! Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning shears into spears. Let the weak one say: ‘I am powerful.’ Come and help, all you surrounding nations, assemble together!’ To that place, O Jehovah, bring down your powerful ones. ‘Let the nations be roused and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; for there I will sit in order to judge all the surrounding nations.”
 
Watchman said:
Yeah, like I said, no wonder the WT has emitted new light on Joel and relegated it to the ancient past. They reluctantly pried open the lid on the sealed box of Jehovah's mysteries and peered into the darkness of the abyss of oblivion and quickly slammed the lid shut.
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Just as Jesus said:
“Let them be. Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matt. 15:14)
 
SusanB said:
We have a lot to look forward to once the earthly systems collapse. Isn’t that just like Jehovah, to allow Satan and his followers to plot their wickedness and appear to make progress only to completely turn it around on them and use their own plots to bring their judgment? I hope we can all be eyewitnesses. As one podcaster says often “Don’t get dead”. Hang in there and you will see some amazing things. I’ll finish my comments on this chapter with this quote from Robert King’s book:

”After the fiery purge, the faithful will experience a dousing by the holy spirit not experienced since the original outpouring of spirit on the day of Pentecost. The 2nd chapter of Joel foretells that both the anointed (sons and daughters) and non-anointed (male slaves and female slaves) will receive the full measure of God’s holy spirit in order to accomplish the final phase of God’s work in the post-Watchtower period of the tribulation.

Joel 2:28-29 foretells: “After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, and your young men will see visions. And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days.”

However, unlike the day of Pentecost when the holy spirit begot the first sons of the Kingdom, the outpouring upon the sons and daughters during the day of Jehovah does not anoint them. That is because they will have already been anointed.

The ultimate fulfillment of the prophecy has to do with the body of Christ becoming fully accepted into the Kingdom by means of the final sealing; so that during the world’s darkest period the chosen ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their heavenly Father. That event will mark the long-anticipated revealing of the sons of God in connection with the manifestation of Christ himself.

The prophesying inspired by that outpouring of spirit will no doubt have to do with heralding the authentic parousia and the genuine establishment of the Kingdom. No, not in the manner that Jehovah’s Witnesses presently preach, but with spirit and power. The visions they will see will be the first-ever true understanding of the prophetic visions originally recorded in the Bible. Most especially, the vision of the transfiguration will be fulfilled by the visible presence of Christ among the chosen.

But instead of offering the hope of salvation to the nations, Jehovah’s true witnesses will then blow the horn and “shout a war cry.” Instead of exhorting men of the world to beat their swords into plowshares, God commands his witnesses to declare war upon the nations: “Proclaim this among the nations: ‘Prepare for war! Stir up the mighty men! Let all the soldiers draw near, let them advance! Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning shears into spears. Let the weak one say: ‘I am powerful.’ Come and help, all you surrounding nations, assemble together!’ To that place, O Jehovah, bring down your powerful ones. ‘Let the nations be roused and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; for there I will sit in order to judge all the surrounding nations.”
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Yes glad you showed distinction of Joel from Pentecost 33ce to our coming day; Not taking anything from the former outpour but I believe it is nothing compared to what is coming! After all didn't Christ say 'Those that are last will be first'? Thanks for your enjoyable considerations Sister Susan. Looking forward to the next outpouring! Praying all if not most here make up those designated as 'last'!
 
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Watchman said:
Still, I have to admit, in all the years I have been looking at this prophecy I cannot say with certainty what the locusts represent. I do not think it is knowable. Is it literal armies? Robots? Perhaps a cyber attack that crashes the financial system, hence climbing over protective walls and through open windows to reach into every home and plunder everyone? Maybe a combination?
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I’m your recent talk based on Joel, you were talking about the increase of migrants into
American and Europe/uk is the same…you seem to allude that these could be the locusts, have I got that right?
 
Maybelle said:
I’m your recent talk based on Joel, you were talking about the increase of migrants into
American and Europe/uk is the same…you seem to allude that these could be the locusts, have I got that right?
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The wording used in Joel concerning these locusts seems more aptly descriptive of organized soldiers sent by Jehovah for a specific purpose.
It doesn’t appear to me that the present immigrant crises flooding the nations ,while destructive to any nation’s economy, could be the tool Jehovah brings into countries to collapse them.
The locusts described seems more descriptive of the sum total of the worlds military forces who’ll be aligned under the flag of the future eighth king and fully capable of imposing his dictates on everyone.
Not hordes of ragtag unfocused immigrant mobs looting and raping.
The technological and surveillance capabilities of this last king will leave no hiding places for anyone. Even now the governments ability to know our location at any given moment via cell phone, toll road transponders, video cameras on drones and public utility poles, facial recognition devices throughout the city even the ability to eavesdrop on us in real time through the screen of a smart tv or the Siri/Alexa devices many own.
Smart electrical meters can even reveal what room a person is in based on a light switch being turned on or the electricity drawn from an appliance.
And of course the ability to monitor and control what you’ll be able to buy or sell will be online soon for sure when their digital money appears.
Just an opinion. Our actual future results may vary.

“ The invaders charge.They climb barricades. Nothing stops them.
Each soldier does what he’s told,so disciplined, so determined.They don’t get in each other’s way. Each one knows his job and does it.Undaunted and fearless, unswerving, unstoppable.They storm the city, swarm its defenses,Loot the houses, breaking down doors, smashing windows.They arrive like an earthquake, sweep through like a tornado.Sun and moon turn out their lights,stars black out.God himself bellows in thunder as he commands his forces. Look at the size of that army!And the strength of those who obey him!God’s Judgment Day—great and terrible.Who can possibly survive this?”
Joel.2.7.Joel.2.11

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kenmuldoon55 said:
The wording used in Joel concerning these locusts seems more aptly descriptive of organized soldiers sent by Jehovah for a specific purpose.
It doesn’t appear to me that the present immigrant crises flooding the nations ,while destructive to any nation’s economy, could be the tool Jehovah brings into countries to collapse them.
The locusts described seems more descriptive of the sum total of the worlds military forces who’ll be aligned under the flag of the future eighth king and fully capable of imposing his dictates on everyone.
Not hordes of ragtag unfocused immigrant mobs looting and raping.
The technological and surveillance capabilities of this last king will leave no hiding places for anyone. Even now the governments ability to know our location at any given moment via cell phone, toll road transponders, video cameras on drones and public utility poles, facial recognition devices throughout the city even the ability to eavesdrop on us in real time through the screen of a smart tv or the Siri/Alexa devices many own.
Smart electrical meters can even reveal what room a person is in based on a light switch being turned on or the electricity drawn from an appliance.
And of course the ability to monitor and control what you’ll be able to buy or sell will be online soon for sure when their digital money appears.
Just an opinion. Our actual future results may vary.

“ The invaders charge.They climb barricades. Nothing stops them.
Each soldier does what he’s told,so disciplined, so determined.They don’t get in each other’s way. Each one knows his job and does it.Undaunted and fearless, unswerving, unstoppable.They storm the city, swarm its defenses,Loot the houses, breaking down doors, smashing windows.They arrive like an earthquake, sweep through like a tornado.Sun and moon turn out their lights,stars black out.God himself bellows in thunder as he commands his forces. Look at the size of that army!And the strength of those who obey him!God’s Judgment Day—great and terrible.Who can possibly survive this?”
Joel.2.7.Joel.2.11

What you probably didn’t know about your cell phone:
Skip ad that starts at around the 2:20 mark to the 3:05 mark.

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What I noticed about the description in Joel it says the “people numerous and mighty” are described as unique, different that ever before and will never be seen again. Then it describes it being “LIKE warriors” and “LIKE soldiers” and they follow an exacting course never shoving another one, never breaking ranks. And, if one falls they don’t stop to care for or retrieve the fallen ones. To me that sounds like drones or some type of robots.
 
SusanB said:
What I noticed about the description in Joel it says the “people numerous and mighty” are described as unique, different that ever before and will never be seen again. Then it describes it being “LIKE warriors” and “LIKE soldiers” and they follow an exacting course never shoving another one, never breaking ranks. And, if one falls they don’t stop to care for or retrieve the fallen ones. To me that sounds like drones or some type of robots.
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Wow, never thought of that. 😧
 
Here's a swarm of AI flying objects that could wreak serious havoc on entire cities. AI Locusts?

Although this clip is from a film called slaughterbots, the AI expert tells us the governments already have this technology and that the window to prevent the rollout of such devices is closing ie the worlds governments are working on this tech for a future military implementation.
Incidentally here's a Ted presentation of this AI tech and validates the video Susan shared about the dragon in the sky being an orchestrated cluster of AI driven drones.

 
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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I doubt if it’s a question of being caught off guard unfortunately. There is no depth yet plumbed to which mankind will not sink. Expect the worst beyond imagining. The issue of a military force enveloping the whole world is difficult to imagine in terms of logistics. The major combatants of this world are already over-reached in conventional weaponry and invading armies cannot go where nuclear fission has gone before, neither can food supplies. And there is nothing there anyway except what is burnt to a cinder. Demons can go where they want though. No food required, no harm can come to them at that time from man and yet there must be a going concern for mankind to choose between God and man. But that is simply my guesswork. I am of a mind just to deal with it when it gets here. All that is required of us is to choose a side and it is ourselves who are our own worst enemy! It is our moment of weakness we should fear the most. I’m content with that. As for attackers; I suppose I could throw my walking stick at someone in self defence, but that’s about the limit for me.
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Siempre nos queda morder😁
 
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